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Newcomers' introduction

16 May 2022

At 11:30 a.m.:

MIRJAM KUHNE: Okay, everybody, welcome, good morning. We are going to wait a few more seconds and see if people are coming in. This is the newcomers' session for RIPE 84. I saw we have quite a number of newcomers registered. I don't know if they are all here, but this is an opportunity for you to find out a bit more about RIPE and the RIPE NCC and also this meeting, how to make the best out of it.

So, yeah, again, welcome, if this is your first meeting, this is RIPE 84. Our first meeting took place in 1989 in Amsterdam so we have come quite a way. My name is Mirjam Kuhne, I am the Chair of the RIPE community since September 2020, so this is actually the first physical meeting I'm chairing, they have been online or remote for the last two years so it's quite exciting to be here in an actual meeting hall and see real people and not just a screen in front of me.

Actually, I am from Berlin so I studied computer science here at the technical university, it's great to be back here in my birth town, home home town and I work for the RIPE NCC and I work for the Internet Society and I have done a lot of community work and now I'm, I was elected RIPE Chair.

And we also have a Vice Chair, I don't know if Niall is in the room? ? Niall O'Reilly, he has been selected vice‑chair at the same time in September 2020 and he has been around for even longer and chairing a couple of Working Groups also in the RIPE community and did some academic work and networking, operations at the university in ‑‑ university college in Dublin.

We have put our e‑mail addresses on there in case you want to reach out to us but we are also around here of course all week.

Yeah, just a blast from the past. We have been looking through it, I don't know if you remember, any of you remember the machine on the left, I was an Atari person so I never had one of those, I had an Atari at home, the one on the right is the map the Internet in Europe in 1990, pretty much around the time that the RIPE community started, they are mostly academic networks or the national research and education networks on that map, and they will update this map over time, every RIPE meeting, it would go you have added another academic institution here, another NREN there so these were kind of the founding institutions and founding people for the RIPE community at the time.

Just a quick question to see who is ‑‑ what you know already? Do you know the difference between RIPE and the RIPE NCC? Put up your hand do you know the difference between RIPE and RIPE NCC, the same thing? Yeah ‑‑ no staff, please. Already, that's good, we are going to go more into detail about that, I am going to cover the RIPE community first and Hans Petter Holen will work of the RIPE NCC obviously. I can't see those people who are online and following this online, I hope that my colleagues from the RIPE NCC are keeping an eye on it because there might actually be people on chat or in the Q&A and ‑‑ that also participate in the session, which is great, we have a lot of people online at this meeting as well.

So if there are any questions from the on‑line participants, I will be helped out.

What's the difference? So RIPE stands for Registeur European IP network and it was formed in 1989, kind of to promote IP at the time and to promote use of the Internet and mostly what I showed you earlier, these institutions wand to change data research projects and studies and saw this new Internet protocol and Internet thing and wanted to use that among the universities mostly and so they started getting together and coordinating some technical aspects between the networks and who has what IP address? How do I contact you? Who is the contact person on your side in case things go wrong? And a lot of things went wrong at that time. So ‑‑ it was open to all, so it started as a small group, basically to do coordination, technical, agreeing on technical parameters, and so until today, it's open to anybody, it's not a legal entity, and it's mostly doing information exchange, technical coordination and also, important, developing policies, basically agreements between or among the community members in how to deal with, for instance, IP addresses, how many do you get, what do you have to provide? What's registered in the database? So these kind of policies are developed by the RIPE community, by this open community that you are a part of here.

On the other hand, we have the RIPE NCC, which stands for Network Coordination Centre, so the RIPE network coordination centre and it started a bit later in '92 primarily and primarily as a secretariat for the RIPE community, to organise these mailings and host mailing lists, developing the database I just mentioned but then quite quickly afterwards people felt like since we have the secretariat already in place wouldn't it be nice to have them distribute the IP addresses? So that's how the RIPE NCC then became the first regional Internet registry, the IP registry and that's also what they are mostly known today even though the RIPE NCC provides a lot of other services that are open to others, to non‑members because the RIPE NCC contribute to the RIPE community is a membership association, and the members pay the NCC for the services and they also select ‑‑ elect the board and their staff, looking after all the services at the NCC.

And the RIPE NCC then takes, for instance, the policies that are developed by this open community and implements it and kind of enforces mayor members to follow the policies that are developed by this open community here. It's quite an intricate relationship but we have our own areas of expertise and work really well together, so you will hear more about this later on.

So to dive a bit more deeper into the RIPE community, we have a number of Working Groups that do work throughout in between the meetings but also run a meet here during this week, I will show you in a bit how the week looks like.

We have 12 Working Groups at the moment. Some you might think that makes sense, Address Policy, routing, database, but there is some other others that may be a little unusual, for instance, Cooperation, that's a Working Group that has been set up specifically to also involve kind of the non‑technical community members. So it's trying to ‑‑ or it's set up to interact or help engage with the government representatives, law enforcement and being together with the technical community.

The IoT Working Group is a relatively new, and we have a work Working Group called NCC Services Working Group which is almost like the glue between RIPE and the RIPE NCC, or one of the really important interfaces because that's where the RIPE NCC reports back to the community and also where the community can provide feedback about RIPE NCC Services.

Not only there but it's kind of the formal place for where this can happen.

And you will see a link there with some videos, some Working Groupses have set up some introduction videos and there is also more information about each Working Group on the right .net website.

Each of the ‑‑ each of the Working Groups have mailing lists, I said we started in the '90s so that's still our preferred method of communicating today and one of the benefits of that is you can find everything in the archives, you can basically look back to old history and see what has been agreed and discussed, has something already been discussed before, maybe you want to read up on that so you can subscribe to these Working Groups ‑‑ these mailing lists, they are all open and free and all the archives are publicly available and look at the list of Working Groups, and see what you are interested in and then maybe look at the archives or subscribe to the list and follow the work of the Working Group.

Maybe a good place to start is the RIPE list, which is the overall kind of lists for all RIPE‑related announcements, all during the week we will be sending some information to the RIPE list about the meeting and you can subscribe to that. There is some information on it. All these slides are already up on RIPE 84 presentation archives so you can find all the links there.

Let's look at this meeting and see how you get through the week. This is the meeting plan, I don't know if you can read it but it's also on your badge and it's in the ‑‑ it's on the website, so today and tomorrow is mostly a plenary sessions and then on Wednesday, Thursday the Working Groups meet, mostly in parallel so you will have to choose, and then on Friday morning there's another plenary session and then the closing ceremony, closing plenary.

We also have some other things on the agenda like the Birds of a Feather today and tomorrow, they are two Birds of a Feather meetings, like it's just a one‑off meeting where people get together talking about a specific topic that they are interested in and it's open to anybody, so have a look at this meeting plan on the website, it's interactive so you can click on it and sea the agendas of each session.

Tomorrow, we also, in the evening, there is a task force of the best current operational practices group, and they are coming together to look at some best current practices documents for this whole community, like information, it's not a policy but more like things people agree on as a guideline to follow.

Tomorrow ‑‑ I don't know if I have a slide on that, later on, but there is a women in tech session during lunch which I would also like, encourage you to participate in and we will have some interesting presentations there about the gender data gap and some measurements that we have done during the RIPE history and during the last tens of meetings, so it's open to anybody and you also get lunch.

There is a number of ways you can participate and this is also interesting for online participants because you are going to be on the Meetecho platform and also, I think here in the room you have also received a mail with a unique link to that Meetecho tool, if you will, so you can ask a question and put a question there or you can raise your hand in the Q&A on that.platform and then the Chair of the session will see that on the screen and they will be able to give you microphone time.

There's also in the Meetecho app, there is a Q&A button you can use to type in your question and then the Chairs will read that out and there is also a chat functionality if you want to chat with each other, it's a comment, not a question you want to have read out.

Why participate? You are already here so you have made a decision to participate and come to this meeting but just to summarise or to stress some points. I think it's really great group of a lot of experts that come together here and you can really dive into a lot of history and expertise and a lot of technical knowledge and passion that's going going on here for 30 years already and by that of course also build your professional network and meet new people but contrary also we would like to hear from you, this is really good to have so many newcomers at the meeting and I hope you all continue to participate in the meetings, in the RIPE community, either online or maybe see you at the next meetings, because we also need to hear from you and what ‑‑ and what your concerns are or how you see the Internet develop in the future, because that really helps us all to keep the Internet in an open and free as we want it to continue to be, of course.

To come back to the meeting, this is the Programme Committee. They are responsible for putting together the agenda of the plenary sessions that I showed you in the meeting plan. I think we have a number of those Programme Committee members in the room so they would really like to hear your feedback also during the week, you know, what you like about the agendas and do you have any ideas for next time in the the task of the Programme Committee is to put together the agenda for the plenary session, they are selecting the presentations that are submitted to the system and they are actually elected by the community and there are elections going on in this week. So two seats will become available on the PC and you can all vote for new members and there will be ‑‑ they will be made known during the week and you can vote.

Another thing the PC would like you to do is to rate the presentations because again, that helps them to further improve the programme over time and you can go on to the website and go to the meeting, the presentations archive and then give some feedback and rate the presentations: You have to login there and create an account and login, that's really easy to do. And you can even win a prize if you do that at the end. So, maybe that's an extra motivation.

This, I don't know if this is actually happening because this is only going to be a social I think later today if you have an academic background or you are interested to meet up with other people that come from research networks or academic institutions, they will be meeting, it says ‑‑ yes, this is today, this is correct, they will be meeting here just informally.

And there is the women in tech session I already spoke about, sorry about that, but yeah, here is more information on that, and hopefully see many of you there on Tuesday during lunch and not in this room but in the other room, in the side room, this way, I think.

And we also have a RIPE Code of Conduct, we have a Code of Conduct for the RIPE community for the meetings and also other communications channels and this is just a summary here of the Code of Conduct, it's a lot longer, you have hopefully seen it when you registered and it's also on the RIPE meeting website and we basically want you to tolerate each other and show respect, you know, independent of background, religion, culture, what have you. This is a very diverse community in some aspects, not so diverse in others, we are still working on that, hence the women in tech session, but we would like to hopefully all feel comfortable and safe during the week.

And there is the website, yes.

And should there be anything that you feel uncomfortable about or you think this really violates the Code of Conduct or something that you don't like, you have been mistreated, we have these wonderful people here that have been trained as trusted contacts or confidantes and you can go to them and report anything that you experience. We have one of them in the room, you have seen at least one of the faces but the other people will be also around during the break and there is also e‑mail address and all the information has been treated confidentially so only they can see it.

Some more on how to find each other and network with each other. There is a social platform, or tool, we have been using during the on‑line meetings called spatial chat and also offered here at this meeting so you can interact with those people who are at home or participating online and we have some ideas also during the breaks how we can include the on‑line participants a bit more into this meeting here and there is an app on your phone you can use, a networking app that you can find also attendees' list and the agenda and you can make appointments with each other as well.

Talking about finding each other, there are some social events during the week, very important, not just a boring work during the day but there is some evening events. Today there is a big welcome reception for everyone here at the meeting ‑‑ it's here on site. Tomorrow is a networking event in the evening, again to get to know each other a bit better, and on Thursday we have the traditional RIPE dinner, we actually go somewhere else, there will be buses and we will tell you more about that and that costs extra, there is a ticket and if you are registered for that you should find a ticket in your badge already.

Social interaction is just so important, I mean that's why I noticed we have so many registrations for this meeting, everybody was dying to see each other again and to actually have some proper face‑to‑face time, which is great.

But also for the online people, we have organised some social events, so they don't feel left out, hopefully. We are trying to make this a true hybrid event. There is a booth, a stand, kind of, outside that we try ‑‑ we are going to use during the week to kind of link online people with the on site people and we also do a little virtual RIPE dinner on Thursday which was quite popular during the on‑line sessions so we continue to do that as well.

Yes, we would love to hear from you during the week. Also there is a feedback form but also you can follow the RIPE meeting on Twitter and provide us feedback during the week or just share your impressions, and you can of course always come talk to us like one of me personally, or Alex, she is our main meeting organiser here, she will be at the registration desk most of the time, and also there is a whole team of technical administrative and communications support in the background that you can talk to. Here is the mail addresses that you can use if you have any questions.

And last but not least, this is actually the great team that will be around all week. They will be recognised by their red T‑shirts, Leia has two roles, she is a meet and greet and a trusted contact, which is a great combination, but there will be others so be careful if you are wearing a red shirt, not everybody is meet and greet contact.

There is a stand outside and you can contact them and they know everything, where the sessions take place, where the sessions take place, where you can find water, and where the socials are and they are all very experienced RIPE meeting support staff, so don't feel shy to go and ask.

And I think that's my part, unless there are any questions, we hopefully have some time for questions in the end. Now we have some minutes now if you want to ask anything now? Otherwise I will hand over to Hans Petter, the managing director of the RIPE NCC. Going once, going twice? Anything online? No, no questions. Okay, well, we'll have some time at the end also for questions. Thanks so far.


HANS PETER HOLEN: So, thank you, Mirjam, and welcome everybody. I am the managing director of the RIPE NCC. The five, six years before I became the managing director of the RIPE NCC I was RIPE Chair so I was giving the first part of this presentation. This is the first physical meeting of the RIPE since I became managing director two years ago so this is the first time I gave this part of the presentation so let's see how this goes.

The RIPE NCC was set up as secretariat for the community as you can remember. It's a membership organisation, run by RIPE NCC staff and an Executive Board elected by the members, we provide services and we implemented policies.

So we have a strategy, a five‑year strategy approved by the Executive Board last December, where the first objective is to support an open and inclusive and engaged RIPE community so that's why you as the community set up as a membership organisation and we do that by operating a trusted and efficient and accurate resilient registry of IP addresses and AS numbers so all of you can provide Internet services on unique addresses, or if the addresses aren't unique your routers don't know where to send the packets and Internet simply wouldn't work.

We want to enable our members and community to operate one secure, stable and resilient global Internet. And in order to do so, we need to maintain a stable organisation with a robust governance structure, and the only way to do this is if we attract and employ engaged, competent and diverse staff.

So the registry: We maintain the RIPE database where you look up what resources are registered. We allocate and manage Internet number resources, and if you are a member of an LIR, you can login and update these through the LIR Portal. We do investigations for hijacks and policy violations, and we support and facilitate the policy development process with the community, and my colleague, Angela, will speak a bit about ‑‑ will introduce herself at the end.

We also secure routing with something called the RPKI, resource public key infrastructure. How many knows how BGP works? Quite a few of you. How many knows how RPKI works? Almost the same. This is good. So the ‑‑ where is the slide? It's gone. I will come back to that. We also do some information services where we develop and maintain Internet measurement services. So we have a measurement network, RIPE Atlas, with more than 10,000 probes and you can run your own measurements in that so if you want to see how your website in Luxembourg is visible or has the network delays from Kazakhstan you can set up those in this network but you can also look into other measurement through RIPE stats that has information from the registry, the database and RIS which collects all the BGP data and we keep that over time. If you want to do research back in what the routing of the Internet looked like five years ago or right now you can do that through RIS and RIPE Stat and you can also look at the visual ‑‑ visual view of IP addresses on the IP map.

We operate one of the route name servers in had DNS, normally we would say that we only do numbers, we do actually one of the route name servers, the K‑root which is one of the 13 named services. One part of DNS is the reverse mapping of IP dresses. So if you have an IP address and wonder what URL or what domain name, fully qualified domain name that points to you can look that up in DNS as well and we maintain that reverse map. And we also provide secondary services to our members, so if you are in need for that we have offerings in that area.

So, here is the RPKI slide. So, normally in had BGP you, or your router, would tell your neighbours that this prefix you can reach by sending a packet to me, and the trouble with that is if you think about it, then anybody can actually make that claim and send it in GDP. So, that's why RPKI was developed. So we have a certification service where we can issue you a certificate that you can use to sign your root, so that when is somebody receives the root they can look it up in the RPKI repository where you publish your statements that this addresses are, or can be authorised from this AS number. So it's really an infrastructure to secure BGP.

Community and engagement.
We want to make sure that you can meet and work together, so we arranged these RIPE meetings twice a year. We also do regional meetings. We just had one in Lubijana and we are planning other meetings around our service region. We offer training courses in person again, also virtual on the net, but also e‑learning, so you can sit down and do train courses whenever you want, and in the end you can get a certification and take an exam so you can document that you have these competencies.

We contribute to public policy and Internet governance discussions with governments like in the EU but also in the Middle East and other parts of our service region. We contribute with facts about how the Internet works and how to still be able to have an open interconnected global Internet. We publish and curate articles on RIPE Labs, so if you have interesting research or experiments or anything to share with the community, you can contact the RIPE Labs editor and have your content published there. And we run the community project funds which is the fund where we give grants to projects that benefits the good of the Internet and there is a separate committee selected by the Executive Board for community members that these makes decisions.

To manage the RIPE NCC, I have a management team with me, Felipe is the chief operations officer, he is running the registry and the software engineering to develop the systems supporting the registry. Cava is the chief information officer and runs the parts of the organisation supporting the information services and IP and so on. Hisham is my chief community officer and the training and e‑learning. I am really happy to announce that I have signed a contract with Elenora as our new chief information security offier., she is not here yet but she will start on 1st July. That is a part of a ramp‑up on more security and compliance in the RIPE NCC.

We also have a chief legal officer, Athina, and HR director and facilities manager Regina, to glue this together. I have an executive assistant in Daniella helps me manage the RIPE NCC altogether, she is sitting at the back there and waiving, if you want to talk to her about how the RIPE NCC really works then you can do that.

The Executive Board, the Chairman is Christian Kaufmann, the treasurer is Ondrej Filip, Piotr and then the board members, Remco, Maria, Raymond and Job. We have a service desk out here so if you have any question and want any help from us, you can contact them. We have a General Meeting on Wednesday, this is the formal General Meeting of the RIPE NCC association, only members can participate, you must register separately and members can vote online, so also members that are not present at this meeting can actually vote on the GM.

And if you have any questions about that, you can e‑mail AGM at right .net.

The policy development process is then managed by or supported by Angela so I will hand over to you Angela.

ANGELA DALL'ARA: Thank you, I am that one with longer tail. I am Angela Dall'Ara, policy officer in RIPE NCC for the last couple of years before I started in had 2014 as Internet analyst and I joined this organisation really with a goal in mind, to be useful for the RIPE community and to help have a smooth working of the Internet.

My role as policy officer is to be a bit between the community and the RIPE NCC. You, as a part of the community, because the RIPE community as you saw before, is everybody, you can decide what the RIPE NCC has to do and if you all agree upon a policy, I'm going to be very happy to assist the community in keeping track of the policy development process. It is a process that is very well organised, has different phases, communicating what is the status of a proposal to all community and relevant Working Group and I am keeping track of how the discussion goes and I am helping eventually proposers to have a very valid, together with the communication department, a very well written proposal and with any questions that can arise.

Whenever you have a question about policies, if something is possible or not, if you can use your IP addresses in a certain way, if this is compliant with policy, please don't be share, come to me, send an e‑mail and ask your question, I am going to be very happy to assist you.

Here you see the decisions only take place on the mailing list, so probably you are already subscribed to different mailing lists in the Working Groups of your interest. Please participate, say what you think, be part of the discussion, don't be shy, I mean, everybody has to know a new community and of course there are people that are experienced, they are there for many years and they know how everything works, but everybody has to learn and everybody is welcome to provide this input. And in our community, decisions are made only on the mailing list, so your opinion counts. Whenever you post it on the mailing list you are going to be listened to and you will receive an answer. So, if ‑‑ if you have questions, of course you can come back to me, but we have one policy proposal that is going to be discussed in the Database Working Group on Thursday and it is regarding the publication of personal data in the RIPE databases so you can manage that this is regarding everything that has ‑‑ that holds resources and is looking for the holder of resources on our database and possibly we will have another discussion, I mean for sure we will have another discussion, it's not an official policy proposal yet but it's going to be about the registration of IP assignments for IPv4. And this is going to be on Wednesday in the Address Policy Working Group.

During the address policy Working Group session, I am going also to give an update about what is going on in our region, but also other RIRs communities. I try to keep in touch with ‑‑ I try ‑‑ well, I keep in touch with all my colleagues in other RIRs and periodically update a document that is containing the main points of all our policies. So you can also make a par son. All these details are going to be in my presentation on Wednesday.

So, I hope to read all your comments on the mailing list soon and to ‑‑ and I am happy to welcome you in the community for just newcomers and I hope you will enjoy the meeting. So now I give back to Mirjam, the microphone, if you have any questions, thank you.


MIRJAM KUHNE: Thanks, Angela. Policy development is a really integral part of the RIPE community from the beginning, so I mean, it's important, and Angela is doing a lot there to support and ‑‑ support it and make it smoother for the community.

I want to make one comment about what you said about participating on the mailing lists, maybe just to motivate that a bit. Of course you can also speak up and participate during the meeting, that's why we have the meetings, but in order to make it fair to everyone and those people who cannot be at the meetings, all the decisions are made on the lists, so things are usually then reconfirmed on the list even if already a conclusion was drawn during the meeting, they are still confirmed and repeated on the mailing lists to make sure everybody can participate and also have it in the archives, available in the archives, so that's why it's important that Angela said that the main decisions are on the lists.

Are there any questions at this point? There's a lot of information. If you are really new to this, then there's ‑‑ you might have some questions about this. In the room? No questions? You have to get up your courage during the week to get up to the mic and ask some questions. I hope to see many of you participate actively. If you have no questions, then we have some for you. The last bit is coming now here, and one of our colleagues has prepared a quiz.

Now, are you running this?

SPEAKER: It's online.

MIRJAM KUHNE: I don't know how to switch him on.

GERARDO: I am here. If I can share my screen. There we can. Now, the question for you, they are coming. Here we go....

This is the newcomers' Kahoot quiz. The instructions are really simple, I have a series of questions for you and a couple of answers and you have only 20 seconds to give the right answer. That is 20 seconds, not more, not less. So, sign up with your registration number if you want to earn a goody bag and otherwise just sign up and have fun. We are going to be starting as soon as everybody has been able to sign up. That's right, as soon as everybody has been able to sign up and this takes a little while because we know it takes some time to choose a really nice nickname and I am going to be giving a prize, a special prize, for the person with the funniest nickname. It's not whatever, it's an honour for me to be able to read out really funny nicknames.

I am seeing already some of them out there, sign in with the game pin 7961130 and then put in your nickname. I see 75 people, we have people online and have people everywhere, it's kind of coming to a ‑‑ wow, more coming in!! This is going to be fun, I think. About 85, 86, 87, as people sign up. I am going to show you what the game is about.

I am going to show you 12 questions about what has been just presented so we want to know if you paid attention. After that, you are going to see four different answers, each one in a different colour, and what you have to do is press the answer the fastest as possible, and the person who presses the right answer the fastest gets the most points in that round. Whoever has the most points will be number one. We have almost 100 people signing in. That's amazing. And I think we have enough time to wait, we reached 100.

Okay, I think we are going to start in three, three, three, two, one. Let's go.

This is the first Kahoot quiz of the whole RIPE meeting and it's for the newcomers. We start in three, two, one...

First question, and it's multi select: Where can you find the RIPE NCC support desk? Where oh where is the support desk? On Facebook, on snap chat, in the coffee break already or on spatial chat? So where can you find them. If you go around and ask you can find them in spacial chat, Facebook, snap chat or the coffee break already. And that's right, you can find them in the spatial chat or coffee break area. If you need to talk to one of the support desk people just go around there. On to next question but before that, let's check the score board.

On to the next question:

Who is the RIPE Chair? Is it Niall O'Reilly, Hans Petter Holen, the RIPE Chair team or Mirjam Kuhne? One of those four answers is the RIPE Chair. Of course you could discuss it but you won't so choose one of these four. If you don't know, you will find out right now. Correct answer is Mirjam Kuhne, so Mirjam is the RIPE Chair and Niall O'Reilly is the Vice Chair and together they form the RIPE Chair team.

On to our next question: True or false: Working Groups discuss RIPE policies on mailing lists? Is that true or false? True or false? True or false? So RIPE policies, on mailing lists, Working Groups discuss that, what is it? You only have one or two possible answers. And the RIPE answer is true. Working Groups discuss the RIPE policies on mailing lists. That's what Angela just said. Let's go on to our score board.

Joe 5 still in the lead.

Question number 4:

Who makes RIPE policies? Is it the IETF, is it RIPE, RIPE NCC or why should I care?

You know what that means, right? That answer can never be wrong. I mean, right. So RIPE, RIPE NCC, IETF or why should you care? Who makes the RIPE policies? And, of course, you are here at the RIPE meeting so RIPE makes the policies. What does the RIPE NCC do? You will find out soon. On to the score board.

Joe‑5 still at the lead.

Next question: Number 5: Which of these is not a RIPE Working Group? Is it the Open Source, the big data, the IoT or DNS? So one of these is not a RIPE Working Group. And I think we mentioned some of them. That's right, I said that the ‑‑ that is not is not a RIPE Working Group and it doesn't even exist as a Working Group is big data. We don't have a big data Working Group yet. Maybe for the next time. Score board says Joe‑5...

Those are tongue twisters. Does RIPE have a Secret Working Group? What is a Working Group? Now the quiz master has to die. There are no secrets, there is no such Working Group or if it is a secret we would never tell, hello! Good luck. Trying to find out, does RIPE have a Secret Working Group? The right answer is, if it's a secret, we would never tell. Are you crazy. Of course, I would be crazy to tell anything about the Secret Working Group.

On to the score board. Joe‑5...

Question number 7:

What does NCC stand for? Is it nerds computer club, is it network carbon copy, Nordic construction company or network coordination centre? Is it net worked carbon copy... or the yes, you got it right, NCC stands for network coordination centre. Score board says Joe‑5 still at the top.

Question number 8:

What does the RIPE PC do? Select the Working Group Chairs? Ensure that are parties and celebrations at each RIPE meeting, choose the presentations for the Working Group sessions or choose the presentations for the plenary sessions? This all sounds so difficult for me. Select the Working Group Chairs, ensure the quote and what is the correct answer? Choose the presentations for the RIPE meeting is not the task PC, it's choose the presentation for the RIPE meeting plenary sessions.

Score board says Joe‑5 still at the lead.

On to question number 9:

Which of these came first? The fall of the Berlin Wall, RIPE 1, voyager 2 closest to Neptune or the first working worldwide web browser? All these things happened but only one of them came first. Which one was it? Yeah, you have to be a donkey to not know that RIPE 1 was published before any of these other historical things happened so one piece of history at a time, RIPE 1 was the first one. Joe‑5 still at the lead.

You need to become a member to join the RIPE community, the RIPE meeting, Hell's Angels or the RIPE NCC. In order to become a member, no, you need to become a member to join the RIPE meeting, the RIPE community, the RIPE NCC or Hell's Angels so which one is it? That's right, in order to join the RIPE NCC you need to become a member, you don't need to become a member to join the RIPE community, you are, I don't know about the Hell's Angels again but I think two people do know. The

Question number 11, and we are coming to the end:

Which organisation was the first regional Internet registry? Was it the RIPE NCC, was it ICANN, was it ARIN or was it Internic? So which was the first regional Internet registry? And if you remember, like the elephant, this should be an easy one. The first regional Internet registry was the RIPE NCC. ICANN is not an Internet regional registry.

On to the final question:

Who implements the RIPE policies? So we talked about who discusses the RIPE policies but who implements: Is it RIPE? Is it RIPE NCC? Is it the RIPE Chair or everybody? Altogether now. Okay, I won't sing any more. But it you tell me who implements the RIPE policies I will let you know if the answer is correct and the right answer is the RIPE NCC, the RIPE discusses the policies makes them and then the RIPE NCC implements them. And let's check our score board now.

So, well done everybody for playing this game, we hope you have fun, thank you for participating. Back to you in the main room.


MIRJAM KUHNE: Thanks, that was a great start of the week and I am sure we will see more of that later and also watch out for that Secret Working Group you might find out more about that later during the week. There's a lunch break now. We actually have a room for newcomers specifically to have lunch, it's a tutorial room, I don't know exactly where that is, but you can of course also join others in general lunch area if you actually want to hang out with not so newcomers, it's up to you. Hope you enjoy the week and see you around during the week.