Ian Dickinson - 16-05-2022 17:55:05
meetecho is well named - there is a very distinct ech on the audio

Ian Dickinson - 16-05-2022 17:55:13

Alessandro Amirante - 16-05-2022 17:56:28
working on this, something is wrong with the audio setup in the room

Ian Dickinson - 16-05-2022 17:57:02
thank you

Marco Schmidt - 16-05-2022 18:00:42
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christian bretterhofer - 16-05-2022 18:01:12
you have a big echo on your microfon

christian bretterhofer - 16-05-2022 18:01:32
makes listening hard

Vesna Manojlovic - 16-05-2022 18:17:07
I’d like to add RFC8890

Vesna Manojlovic - 16-05-2022 18:24:14
The Internet is for the Empowerment of End Users | RIPE Labs

Vesna Manojlovic - 16-05-2022 18:24:43

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 18:36:16
posted a question.

Caspar Schutijser - 16-05-2022 18:36:48
Yes, I noticed (just a minute ago). I'll break in soon

Caspar Schutijser - 16-05-2022 18:37:00
thanks for notifying me anway

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 18:37:10
merci. no prob

Vesna Manojlovic - 16-05-2022 18:39:16
An event in Berlin in May , where we could introduce RIPE community (again)

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 18:39:56
I am doing it. But a single person cannot do that structurally!

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 18:43:27
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Adrian Perrig - 16-05-2022 18:53:47
Glad to hear that security is important, there was just relatively little discussion about it until now which is why I wanted to bring it up.

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 18:56:58
Answer to Adrian: Security is like motherhood and apple pie. It is hard to say no to the general question. The devil however is in the detail. Security of what systemat at what level and with what goal exactly? There are some 'security' proposals that are not progress.

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 19:02:13
RΓΌdiger is right. Security is not trivial even in a limited and specific area. It is not easy and it often has significant costs and those costs are often not attributed to those who reap the benefits of added security.

Vesna Manojlovic - 16-05-2022 19:02:31
I find the low-power-consumption important, and reusing old equipment : as a practical implementation of β€œenvironmental sustainability β€œ principle .

Adrian Perrig - 16-05-2022 19:02:36
Hi Daniel! A specific point of progress is to rely more on (and perhaps even require) verification of properties / protocols / architectures, so that we can achieve guarantees. Even a simple dependency analysis goes a long way ... which would be nice to have for today's Internet. In SCION, we made much progress and improved the security when working on formal verification and dependency analysis. I was hoping to hear more points from the community that this is indeed a desirable approach.

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 19:06:03
Adrian: I like the general direction of that work. I was hoping your group would keep packaging (information about) it for operators in the RIPE community and generating interest or constructive critissim.

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 19:08:18
In other words there is still not enough knowledge/discussion in RIPE to discuss your approach. I know this takes energy. You will not get substantial answers unless you spend that energy.

Daniel Karrenberg - 16-05-2022 19:08:46
Again: Personally I like this work.

Marco Schmidt - 16-05-2022 19:09:40
This session has now ended. The next sessions will be tomorrow. More info on the RIPE 84 meeting plan:

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Jeroen Leendertz - 16-05-2022 19:10:29